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« on: July 09, 2010, 07:22:38 pm »

I've been doing some research into Moose and his mutation. Turns out he is called a Halfsider which is not a genetic mutation at all but a congenital condition. He is actually a Chimera! Which means he is his own twin. He has 2 different sets of DNA. When the cells were dividing in the egg one twin enveloped the other and the result was Moose! This is said to be a very rare mutation and the chances of seeing it again are slim. There seems to be debate on being sterile or not but otherwise they are like any other budgie health wise. The more I think of it the more fascinated I am over all this. I so wish there was a budgie show around here, I'd enter him into competition in a heartbeat. He may just have to stay in the family!
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 08:25:30 pm »

wow! as rare as he is, i would keep him. or at least find someone who shows budgies and sell him to them. then you know for certain he will be well taken care of. they have to be healthy to be good enough to show. if you were in it for the money, he'd prob be worth some bucks. i know you're not, so i'm not implying anything.
i think he's adorable. but then, i love budgies. if i had an empty flight cage i'd have a few. unfortunately, i dont know if i could get rid of babies. and i'm positive i couldnt handle handfeeding them. i just dont have what it takes to do that. but anyway, that's pretty neat. so you think he's sterile? wow. his own twin...that's right off a daytime soap! as the feather flies. Avian Hospital. and one i heard here at buf.parrot...the young and the nestless.  laugh laffhrd
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 08:42:11 pm »

That's pretty amazing!  Moose the Deuce...deuce, twin.... laugh
Now we want more pics of them all!!!
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 11:41:42 pm »

yes, I agree. More pics, please. You know who would be interested in this? Monica on BC. She loves genetics. And maybe she could give you more info on the subject.  thumb
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 11:49:43 pm »

Ahhhhh.... Very true and thoughtful debz!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 11:52:23 pm »

That happens in humans too. The fetus becomes a tumor called a teratoma. Sometimes when they are removed, they can see hair and teeth in them.  bugeye
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 01:55:46 am »

A Teratoma is a bit different than the Chimera if memory serves me correctly, with the Teratoma the fetus is engulfed but there is no sharing of DNA where as with the Chimera once engulfed there is still a sharing of cells leading to two different sets of DNA in one body. I remember the first time I heard of Chimera in humans, it was a woman involved in a custody battle for her child and paternity had to be established. The bloodwork came back as less than 1% chance the child was hers even though she had given birth to him. As a result the child was taken away. It was only later that they tested the DNA within her skin and found that it was totally different than her blood. The DNA make-up of her skin was a 100% match to her child. She was then given back her child. I remember being so fascinated by the whole thing, I still am. Maybe I should have been a geneticist  thinkin3 Teratoma's are quiet fascinating too, people can go years and years without knowing the remnants of a twin are inside them, some even have a blood supply and continue to feed off the person like it's a host.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 11:10:07 am »

True...,.,,you are right. I watched a show about a woman who's baby was said to have been switched at birth and she almost lost her child. They couldn't prove her parentage through DNA testing until they figured out she was a chimera. This was a true thing on Nat Geo. Very very interesting and very vary rare. I knew my grand fid was special!  Come live with grandma Moose. I will give you a crown, a throne and your own private fid room.
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Fly high little Johnny Meeper  - flew to the Rainbow Bridge 1-6-2010
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