I finally used those feathers!!

[Ditty]

So as you know if you read my other post I went to a pow wow today, well I bought a great dreamcatcher there to add those and other feathers to.  So now Zuri and Yoshi's feathers are on there too.

[steptoe91(tozie)]

very nice. what a great way to use your birdie feathers. if anyone can give you good dreams its your birdies. 

[Debz]

aww...what a great idea! birdie dreams good? no not for me, toezie. Whenever I dream of my fids it's usually filled with anxiety. Afraid of loosing them in the crowd, or someone stealing one or .. hurting one...

[Ditty]

Debz you need one of the wheels they make with the "worry" bag in it!

[steptoe91(tozie)]

oh you poor dear. admittedly i worry about my fiddies, but only when i'm awake. when i sleep the only bad dreams i have is when i loose family members again. the fiddie dreams are always good. maybe you need a dream catcher. if i remember right they are to catch the bad dreams. and with your fiddie feathers in it , should be double powerful. 

[Debz]

A what Ditty? 
you know.. about the dream catcher...not sure if I want to lay this historical tidbit on you gals. Nahhhh... never mind.

[steptoe91(tozie)]

oh come on! now you have to tell me! it'll drive me nuts wondering.    come on, pleeeeeezzzee? 

[Debz]

Very well then. Long ago, I took a trip to new mexico where my friends and I went searching for Native American influences. Learn about the culture first hand. We went to several ancient dwellings now national parks and got glared at by reservation occupants for driving onto reservation land. Anyway, one thing I remember being told was that the Dream Catcher was really not an ancient Native symbol. But when I researched it I found that the Chippewa came up with the dream catcher during the 60's. Soon the contemporary symbol got snatched up by the other tribes and non natives and little by little altered the original (pure) significance to the point where Natives no longer care to be associated with it. Still selling them because it makes money.  So then i went in search for the original meaning, and unless they are hiding a bunch of info on us, seems the same to me. So, what have u learned from this rather lengthy JibberJab?
That the dream catcher is still a dream catcher even if the Natives hate the idea.

[Ditty]

Actually Debz that is true!  The early dream catchers were very different and done differently but they started out as they are now in the early 60's and it just caught on.  some tribes like them and some do not. 

I will see if i can get ya a pic of the other thing I am talking about...with the worry bag in the middle.

[Jadesmom]

I've heard the modern day Dreamcatchers compared to plastic dashboard Jesus's. 
I still think they are cool. And some are very beautiful.

[Ditty]

Debz-
http://madeinamericadecor.com/shields-skull-medicine-wheel-mw02.html

The medicine wheel has been around for 4500 yrs (the oldest known)  The center "may" have a worry medicine bag or a medicine bag with something else.
There has to have 4 sacred colors and 4 cardinal directions
Blue -north-for wisdom -wind
Yellow-east-for creation-life and fire
Black-west-intuition-Earth
White-south- trust- water

It is believed the little bag takes away and heals troubles.  But you never touch it or let anyone else touch it.

[steptoe91(tozie)]

cool!
very interesting debz. i did not know that.

[Debz]

I agree Jades, they are beautiful. In fact Xman, used to make wonderfully elaborate dream catchers. Made me a very special one....awww... was very sweet. I think I burned it during one of my voodoo ceremonies. :pit:
Ohhh.. I brought a medicine wheel home... heck if I know what happened to it.    I have to look into those.  Thanks for the info Ditty. 

[Ditty]

Here is some other useless knowledge for ya lol
The dream catcher was originally made by the chippewa tribe and they were called "web charms" in the early 1900's.  they looked much more like a spider web.  It came from the legend of the spider woman (i forget her long name) who made these web charms for infants headboards.

I am full of useless knowledge when it comes to this Native American stuff because I have a friend in the Nipmuck tribe and was friends with many who were in numerous different tribes in Mashpee mostly Wampanoag (cape cod) when I lived on the cape.

[Debz]

thanks for correcting me, Dittykins.